I still have more Black Panther cast interviews can you believe it? Say hello to the bad guys! I was truly excited to be interviewing two of black panthers “villains” or who are perceived to be the bad guys, Winston Duke and Andy Serkis.

Marvel Studios’ BLACK PANTHER M’Baku (Winston Duke) ©Marvel Studios 2018

Marvel Studios’ BLACK PANTHER..Ulysses Klaue (Andy Serkis)..Ph: Film Frame..©Marvel Studios 2018

They were fun because Andy Serkis character “Klaue” is no stranger to the Marvel Universe, and welcoming Winston Duke with open arms as this is his first film. Congrats to Winston for this huge movie being his first movie role.

Winston Duke as M’Baku

Marvel Studios’ BLACK PANTHER M’Baku (Winston Duke) Ph: Matt Kennedy ©Marvel Studios 2018

M’Baku – Armed with the hardened Jabari wood armor and a battle staff, M’Baku is the formidable leader of the Jabari tribe, a group of Wakandans who have shunned the use of vibranium and removed themselves from the mainstream Wakandan life. In the wake of T’Chaka’s death, M’Baku is faced with the choice of challenging T’Challa for the throne, or joining forces with his would-be adversary to defend Wakanda from malevolent outside forces.

This is my first film, so to feel like I could hold my own and create a space where I felt I had agency as an artist came from Ryan creating a safe space.  Ryan creating a space space and then people like this, you know, stewarding me into a world like this where I felt comfortable enough to do my best work, and feel comfortable enough to do work that I’m proud of.  – Winston

Winston shares how he got casted for Black Panther as a newbie in the industry

I think I went through- since I was more of a unnamed actor, and I went through the standard audition process.  So I was the audience.  So I’m only hearing about Black Panther and seeing the cast come together and they’re like oh my god, Chadwick Boseman I’m like Chadwick Boseman and then it’s Michael B. Jordan, I’m like Michael B. Jordan is in it too? And then they announced Lupita Nyong’o.  And then they’re like Danai has joined the cast. I’m like Danai has joined the cast and it just kept going and going and I just- I wanted to- I told my representatives, I said I’d just love to get in that room.  I love Ryan Coogler’s work, I think it has a really strong sense of social justice, every single thing that he does.  And I want my career to have a strong social justice footprint, even if it is commercial.  I want it to be connected in some ways so I kind of expressed that mission for myself and my career. 

And then lo and behold I got in the room with him, he had me do it like twenty different ways and he’s like cool cool cool, can you make it a little bit more personal, personal, can you make it more personal [LAUGHTER]. But he just told me to keep going more personal…we do it…we did it another way…Change the lines here change the lines there.  He wrote sides specifically just for the audition.

And we just kept going and going and going and I didn’t hear back for maybe four weeks.  So I was like that was fun, I got to work with him, you know, I actually got to work with him.  Because this took like forty five minutes, to go through the whole process.  So I was content and then I got another call and they’re, they really like you and they’re asking more questions.  And they want to test you.  I go and I do the test and it just felt very organic, I got home, I said a prayer, I heard a voice say everything is going to be cool.  You’re all good, don’t worry about it.  And the rest is history.  [APPLAUSE]

Winston talks about the value of his character in the Black Panther movie versus the comic

I feel what was a great opportunity for me with M’Baku was I was given the opportunity to create a new language within that world essentially.  And the one thing that Marvel did great that really grounded and created a new world, a new life for M’Baku was that it was a departure from the comics in a sense that it’s no longer this M’Baku being the leader of this religious minority.  

He’s not the leader of this religious cult, he’s now the leader of an established grounded tribe.  So that gives you a lot more agency, it gives you a lot more presence, it gives you a lot more strength and ability within that world.  And creating that society that lives outside of Wakanda proper was something that was really great.

Winston feelings on how this film will make an impact for people once they’ve watched Black Panther

Its an excitement to know that people and not adults but children are going to be exposed to narratives like this.  Before they’re fully developed and before they’ve ingested and consumed placed narratives, narratives that were formed before they were born about them, and they’re getting to see representations of people who look exactly like them.

Before they’re fully formed, which is going to help them see their world differently.  It’s going to change their paradigm from a really young age and they’re going to be consuming this in a way that they’re not seeing, I hope a four year old isn’t watching this, even though they might be watching this with an awareness of race.  But they might be and that’s just the world we live in.  But for them to- if they be do have an awareness, a fully developed or an idea of race.

And they’re watching this and going man I could be like that and man T’Challa looks like my uncle, man T’Challa looks my cousin, Michael B. Jordan looks my dad, Winston looks my dad Winston looks like my cousin, Winston looks like me and they’re getting to see that.  And children in Tobago are getting to see that, people in Trinidad, people in Brazil, people in Latin America, people all over the diaspora are going to get to see this and develop agency. That’s exciting.  And I was just watching and being like, this is wonderful, it’s a great time to be in a super hero movie.  And the movie itself is a super hero, it took on its own life, yeah-yeah.  

Winston on how his presence on film and his character can give a different view on what it means to be a person of color. 

I understand that being a person of color.  Being a black man in this world, I understand the narratives that are on the person, I understand that my body is highly and heavily political, just in its existence, you know what I mean.  And that is a place that people who are oppressed understand.  

And you are always aware of it and that gives you some power, it also gives you agency, because you actually know what’s going on at all times.  So that was an example of like him having full awareness of how he is viewed and how he’s seen and what people think of him and manipulating that, you know what I mean.  For his enjoyment and his people’s enjoyment.  So, it’s a really cool powerful thing.  

Andy Serkis as “Klaue”

Marvel Studios’ BLACK PANTHER..L to R: Ulysses Klaue (Andy Serkis) and Everett K. Ross (Martin Freeman)..Photo: Matt Kennedy..©Marvel Studios 2018

Ulysses Klaue – After first making his debut several years ago in Avengers: Age of Ultron, Ulysses Klaue finally returns to the MCU. Klaue is one of the rare people to ever penetrate the borders of Wakanda and live to tell about it. He’s a weapons dealer who made off with a modest amount of vibranium, all of which was taken from him by Ultron. It seems Klaue is eager to get back into Wakanda, and he’s made an alliance with Erik Killmonger. He’s got a new robot arm that morphs into a weapon.

I don’t necessarily believe in evil as a concept, we are all on a spectrum of- you can have people who are reformed, you can have people who do terrible things but who can love as well. -Andy

Andy on how he got casted for Black Panther

Well so Ulysses Klaw comes into the world, the Marvel world in age of Ultram, in The Avengers: Age of Ultron.  And at that point he’s working off a ship in India where he is selling- he’s an arms dealer basically, he’s an arms dealer gangster.  And at that point he’s amassing a huge quantity of vibranium and then Ultron tracks him down and he loses some of it.  So it was teased in.

And in fact- the way that I came on board actually was when I first started working with Joss Whedon who’s directing Avengers Age of Ultron, it was using performance capture, it was actually I was helping Mark Ruffalo with the Hulk.  Because they came to our studio in London called the Imaginarium and we were working with him and then James Spader to create the character Ultron because it was using the technology that I’m very familiar with.  And then Josh said oh man there’s this great character which I’d really love you to play, it’s only a small scene. But I think if the Black Panther movie comes on, you know, he’s very much an adversary for T’Challa in the Black Panther and I said oh wow that’s great.  And it was just this very quirky like you say kind of idiosyncratic slightly left field gangster character.  But which- so that’s how the character got introduced.  And then when Ryan took it on in this, he just wanted to have even more fun with it.  So it was- that was my way into it.

Andy speaking on the depths of his villain character of Klaue

The thing is it is great fun being able to dip into the dark side, because it in a safe environment.  And we work in the world of story where you’re allowed to do that.  But what I wanted to do with this character, with Klaue, was not make him in any way a kind of an archetypal villain or considered evil, although of course he is one of the world’s worst, because he is entirely driven by being selfish.  I mean he epitomizes in this film he really epitomizes what it is to be ultimately selfish in every aspect of living.  And he’s a taker, he’s one of the world’s takers, he just grasps and pulls and brings it all to himself.  But you kind of to make that character live and be human, I wanted to make him sort of strangely someone you might like to hang out with. So it’s, constantly as an actor you’re wanting to challenge the perception of good and evil.

And I don’t necessarily believe in evil as a concept, we are all on a spectrum of- you can have people who are reformed, you can have people who do terrible things but who can love as well.  So it’s trying to be complex and have a good time as well.

Winston on M’Baku’s powerful part that shaped the movie

I think what this film does powerfully is really interrogate a lot of strong questions, right.  And for me, the questions are, isolationism.

Or going out into the world and, you know, this colonial way of thinking.  And it’s because that’s the only- those are the only expressions that we’re familiar with.  We’re only familiar with taking care of yourself or if we’re going to go out into the world, we’re going to bring ourselves and impose it on others, you know what I mean.  So how do we do that in another way, and it’s how do we go out and help people with love.

How do we go out and help people and share who we are and what we are, without oppressing them?  And I don’t know if the the film presents an answer, but it asks you other questions, about how would it look like if you did?  Because we’ve only seen it play out these two ways, it’s you stay away from everyone and take care of yourself and enrich yourself, or you go out and you bring yourself and you put it on others and you use terror or you use violence.  

So I think it’s he’s grappling with the larger questions himself, because he’s realizing I’m part of this big world. And it’s going to come to my doorstep, and it always comes to your doorstep.  So how do we go out, how do I go out into Wakanda proper and help initiate change.  So I don’t know if it presents an answer, but it does give further question, yeah.

It was fun talking to the “bad guys”. They really aren’t so bad after all. In actuality, Winston’s character M’baku is really one of my favorite character for many reasons. I will explain why in a follow up blog, as I have currently seen the film 3x (presently) and M’baku’s character is multi-dimensional and I was happy to see his role play out the way it did. For this to be his first role, he did a fantastic job. He did it like a vet! Go Winston! You will learn more too when you see the movie. Please go out and see it and check out Andy (Klaue) and Winston (M’Baku) in Black Panther!


Synopsis Marvel Studios’ BLACK PANTHER follows T’Challa who, after the death of his father, the King of Wakanda, returns home to the isolated, technologically advanced African nation to succeed to the throne and take his rightful place as king. But when a powerful old enemy reappears, T’Challa’s mettle as king—and Black Panther—is tested when he is drawn into a formidable conflict that puts the fate of Wakanda and the entire world at risk. Faced with treachery and danger, the young king must rally his allies and release the full power of Black Panther to defeat his foes and secure the safety of his people and their way of life.

Black Panther opens in theaters on February 16th.


BLACK PANTHER official website: https://marvel.com/movies/movie/224/black_panther
BLACK PANTHER on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/BlackPantherMovie
BLACK PANTHER on Twitter: https://twitter.com/theblackpanther
Marvel Studios on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/marvelstudios/

Disclaimer: I was invited to attend an all-inclusive press trip, sponsored by Disney. All opinions are my own.

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  • I can’t wait to go see this film! It’s going to be a good one.

  • Alice Megan says:

    I’m so excited about going to see this! The interview has just made me even more excited

  • Stacie says:

    I am SO ready to see Black Panther! He’s always been one of my favorite characters, and I can’t wait to see him in his own film.

  • Colleen says:

    I am so excited for Black Panther. Chadwick Boseman is one of my favorite actors, and I loved him in Civil War. The trailers have me foaming at the mouth.

  • Amber Myers says:

    Woohoo, yes, I am so ready to see Black Panther. I know my family and I will love it.

  • This is just another great preview to the movie that we all have to see. My son has been asking about this movie so I think we will be going when it opens

  • Cassie says:

    That is seriously so cool that you got to interview some of the cast members! You can really feel their passion for the movie throughout their interviews in this article. I have heard nothing but amazing things about this movie throughout several different blog posts. I am so excited to be able to see it soon! Thanks for sharing! xx

  • Anne Yedlin says:

    I net that interview was so much fun! I can’t wait to see the movie, it sounds really good.

  • Mary Burris says:

    I’m not sure if I’m going to see this one or not. It looks like it would be good, but I’m still on the fence about seeing it. Maybe if it comes to Netflix…

  • Rosey says:

    First show I almost bought pre-tickets for (before the movie opened purchase). I can’t wait to see it. I know we’ll be okay though for seating, if we just skip opening (ugh) night.

  • Alison Rost says:

    I’ve always liked the way Andy Serkis portrayed the characters he was chosen to play. I’d love to see more of Winston Duke’s acting in the movie. They both sound so passionate about the film and their characters, which is awesome.

  • Brianne says:

    What a cool interview and opportunity for you. We cannot wait to see this film!

  • I can not wait to go see this movie this weekend! I am so excited! It looks like it will be great.


  • Toni | Boulder Locavore says:

    Wow! I’m getting jealous of all those interview opportunities! This makes me so excited to see the movie!

  • Annemarie LeBlanc says:

    Oh wow. You sure had the best time interviewing all these actors and actresses. Black Panther looks like a really good movie and I will make sure I will watch it.

  • I must admit, Black Panther for me is the least favorite Avenger. But this movie has kept me intrigued since the start of its promotions. I’m definitely going to see this movie!

  • Dee Jackson says:

    I have been enjoying your interview series. The hype for thus movie and these awesome actors is great

  • Tyra says:

    This is so exciting that you got to do this interview! I am so excited to be going to see Black Panther this weekend!

  • This interview is amazing! so cool that you got it! i am so ready for the movie! i read interviews and articles which build up my enthusiasm! i can’t wait!

  • EG III says:

    Love the story of how the role came together for Winston. Although it’s his first big movie role, I’m certain it’s simply the fruits of years of working on his craft and waiting for the right moment to come along.

  • Mimi Green says:

    I had no idea Winston Duke was new to acting. OH MY GOSH! He killed it fresh out of the gate. He was a cutie pie in the movie, I wanted to not like him, but it was hard. He was multi-layered and I loved that about his character.

    Also, I wanted their costumes.

  • Cathleen says:

    I have been hearing a lot about this movie. I would love to see it!

  • It’s so exciting to get a behind the scenes look at this film. I am hearing nothing but raving reviews from everyone who has seen it this weekend.

  • Sounds like it was a good time to interview all of the bad guys from this piece. It sounds so fun. I can imagine how difficult it would be to start in the Marvel Universe in the first time being a relatively unknown actor. But I am excited to see how he plays the role of the tribal leader. And Serkis is pretty much amazing in everything. Curious to see how he takes the idea of good being a spectrum and nothing being purely evil.

  • That’s so exciting that you were able to do these interviews. I can’t wait to see this movie in theaters.

  • Winston aka MBaku was fine as hell in Black Panther and real life. He was also funny in the money. Great job for his first role.

  • Leslie says:

    Great interview. Loved the movie so much saw it twice. Wakanda Forever!

  • Kita says:

    I’ve enjoyed all the coverage from my blogger friends. I feel like this is such a great month for the movie to debut. I am going tomorrow. Can’t wait.

  • Jessica T says:

    I cannot wait to see this movie. As a huge fan of all the Marvel movies, this one looks to be amazing!

  • Sheena says:

    I’m in a group and the ladies are swooning over Winston. I’m about to get my kids aaaaall the Black Panther toys.

  • Tonia says:

    This movie is everything. Thank you for providing the interviews as well. It makes it even more interesting to hear directly from the cast.

  • Aashima says:

    Oh Wow! Thats one great interview. I am sure you had an amazing time. I still have to plan for this movie, so want to watch it!

  • One of the best parts and most memorable parts of the movie is the costumes. These to actors really played their parts in the movie. I loved it.

  • Kasi says:

    These were great interviews! Klaw was a hilarious villain, and I liked M’Baku’s role, he was funny too! Loved how his character changed at the end of the movie.

  • Karen Akpan says:

    That is SOOOOOOOO amazing that you were able to interview them both. Wow!! I watched Black Panther is it the best movie ever!! I want to watch it again and again. Loved the interview !!

  • Joyce Brewer says:

    To me, M’Baku’s character was the hidden gem in the Black Panther film. He was magnetic every second he was on screen and provided the unexpected comic relief. I loved every minute of it!

  • Lauren says:

    Omg Winston definitely stole some scenes. Is he every not as gorgeous of a man in person as he is on screen?? lol

  • Jeuelle says:

    I have been reading so many articles online about the characters and actors in this film. I really liked this one as well! There is so much depth to the film as well as the artists behind it.

  • Stacie says:

    Loved these two guys parts. My family are big Marvel fans so I went back to watch Age of Ultron again because I forgot about a lot of it.

  • Ola says:

    Winston’s role in the movie was quite humorous and memorable. I wish they could have featured him more.

  • Eva says:

    Amazing! I have to go back and see this movie again…and again… LOL! I can’t wait.

  • Great interview! I loved this movie so much I’m going again tonight as I need MBaku in my lap so I’m seeing it in 3D this time

  • Kristin says:

    I’ve seen the movie twice and look to go again! Winston was awesome and great eye candy!! Love to see new talent!

  • Carissa says:

    I am loving seeing all the press from Black Panther! It just seems like an awesome experience, and to know you had a chance to do this during all the history the movie is making is amazing!

  • First let me start by saying how jealous I am that you got to interview Winston Duke!! That’s so amazing. I love reading more about what goes into making such a major movie like this and what the cast thinks. Thanks for sharing!

  • Kim S says:

    Andy Serkis is a great actor, especially when it comes to playing villainous characters. You had such a great opportunity to interview all of these actors from Black Panther.

  • Courtney CJ says:

    I probably didn’t consider M’baku a villian because I was too focused on how fine he was, oops. I really need to get back and see the movie again soon.

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